Ielke 382 and his rider Ester Liano performing a musical freestyle at the Stallion Show in Friesland (Netherlands) January 2007. I am unsure of Ielke’s level at the time of this video, but I think it is Grand Prix (program says he qualifies for the “Heavy Tour”). He was really lovely and I liked the yellow accents. Sorry I missed the very start and very end. His rider was thrilled and at the end petted/praised him for a long time.
Duration : 0:4:43
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Well owning a …
Well owning a friesian stallion i can tell you on the lunge long rein this is how they carry the head, no pressure no draw reins its natural.
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
@ …
@Dressagetrainee2894
Learn my facts? Have you ever seen a ”free” friesian thats excited? (or whatever) They walk like this for themselves. Not as much as in a training, but it looks a lot like ”rollkur”.
And i’ve ridden quite some few friesians and its very hard to ride them on the vertical or before the vertical. Yes, it can be done, but its hard!
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
I absolutely …
I absolutely disagree! Learn your facts before commenting. A horse the is properly trained, you will never see them in the hyper flexion position. It is a discraseful way of “training”. Friesians do have a higher headset and thicker necks but that does not mean they have to be hyper flexed during transitions!
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
I think nobody here …
I think nobody here has ever ridden a friesian? A real! friesian? ’cause it’s very hard to ride them on the bit on the vertical. Especially stallions have huge necks, what makes it even harder. The most Friesians walk behind the vertical, almost all the friesians do this. So it’s not ‘rollkur’ or something like that.
I’ve ridden 2 or 3 friesians and they all got the same problem…
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Well, look at how …
Well, look at how huge his neck is. When he flexes his poll, it’s probably only natural that it’s going to be close to his neck since it’s so big. I do agree, that it’s not as pretty, I’d like to see it let out more, but that’s obviously how he flexes
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
stallions are …
stallions are muscular and he was showing for the ‘ladies’. it he would have thought the reins to tight, he would not have done his bit
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Natural beauty is …
Natural beauty is revealed with time taken, feel and love. To honour the beautiful horse and horsemen who use kind hands please sign the petition on website: wu-wei-verlag and clicking on: Officials! Stop Hyperflexion! Riding these magnificent animals can be wonderful but there are sadly some that abuse the generosity of these animals with the use of a quick fix hidden from the untrained eye. Sign and study the tragic physiological effect of Roll-kur. BHS supports petition.
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
I HIGHLY HIGHLY …
I HIGHLY HIGHLY DOUBT ANY OF YOU ARE INSTRUCTORS. who the are you all to sit here and criticize a grand prix ride? stfu no one wants any of your opinions and no one is going to listen to any of your advice. go ride a world cup or something
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
wow, that doesnt …
wow, that doesnt look comfortable for that horse at all :S The neck is totally pulled together and the horse isn’t relaxed any minute of the whole performance :/ Thats not what i call dressage, thats torture
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
That doesn’t look …
doesn’t look comfortable or relaxed at all.
That doesn’t look very good, the horse head is touching it’s chest..
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
YES of course
…
YES of course
But this horse is very often behind teh verticale ….
Sry. I think so.
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Your babbeling …
Your babbeling about a few sec. A horse doesn’t dies of e few sec. of Rollkur. Every rider, no matter how good they are, can’t avoid riding in ”rollkur”.. If they were changing from trot to canter, the horse will ”rollkur” for a sec (and probably many more examples)
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Point ???
Point ???
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
omg, get the point!!
omg, get the point!!
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Well, I ride …
Well, I ride dressage too
I’ve got a horse too
And at 0:32 – 0:40 is the horse behind the vertical too … I think it’s more than 3/4 sec. …
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
thats for like 3/4 …
thats for like 3/4 sec. That doesn’t hurt a horse..
And i’m dutch, so my english isn’t perfect either..
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Jep, I know but my …
Jep, I know but my english isn’t very good, because I’m a german girl
But at 2:20 – 2:23 you can see it very good, that’S rollkur
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
When it’s over, …
When it’s over, thats not rollkur, when it’s behind, tháts rollkur (and slightley down)
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
No, but I ride …
No, but I ride Fries and the fries goes M dressage (I think) and he don’t do rollkur.
Well, it isn’T rollkur, but it’s over de verticle …
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Have you ever tried …
Have you ever tried to train a fries at this level and not doing ”Rollkur”?
Btw, I don’t think this is ”Rollkur”, because the horse’s head is right on the verticle line..
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
I think that’S no …
I think that’S no comment^^
Every horse can ROLLKUR and no horse need rollkur^^
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Practically every …
Practically every Friesian walks this way…
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
ja und?!
ja und?!
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
@Tici59
Euhm …
@Tici59
Euhm FRIES?!?!!?!?!!
April 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Ehm ROLLKUR?!?!!?!? …
Ehm ROLLKUR?!?!!?!?!!