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The Bucking Pony and the Shire Pas De Deux. Keep Dressage Fun!
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May
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dressage/ Sport Psychology web site http://www.seanaadamson.com/
Duration : 0:4:48
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
@01Appelflap ponies …
@01Appelflap ponies can actually carry more than 20%, they are built differently than horses. And drafts can carry less than 20%. If you look at the balance through the circles, this pony was clearly having no trouble whatsoever carrying this lovely rider!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
@AnimalInfoNews …
@AnimalInfoNews Have you ever met a pony? Many of them are born cranky. I loved this video, because the songs and the video are great insights into the dichotomy of the draft and pony dispositions. These two clearly bought into the generalizations. Lovely ride, I’d buy them both, if the riders came with them!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Absolutely LOVED it …
Absolutely LOVED it
You guys did a brilliant job and that pony was adorable. Great riders and gorgeous horses
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
sooooooooooocute xD
sooooooooooocute xD
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
OMG – this is the …
OMG – this is the BEST pas de deux that I have ever seen!!! Congratulations, what a super job you guys did. I absolutely adored it, being a dressage diva myself. I just wish the pony had thrown in a few more bucks…;-)
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I really liked this …
I really liked this video a lot. I showed it to numerous people and they all loved it. You can clearly see what fun they have. The welsh too.
BTW Someone who is 25 kilo can cause more problems than a rider who weights 50 kilo. This rider is skilled and doesn’t bump in his back.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
This is hilarious …
This is hilarious and the music is perfect:)
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
WTF are you even …
WTF are you even talking about?
And yeah, we are smarter than most Europeans. Now, there are plenty of stupid Americans… but even they’re smarter than you.
Swallow that ad hominem.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
@Nightfox39
Yeah …
@Nightfox39
Yeah right.. in the US everything is bigger and better, isn’t it?
Tell me: Why are all quality horses (and ponies) imported from Europe ??
Who are in the world’s top3 in dressage and jumping?
Probably just like you said: because Europeans (all Europeans, not just that ONE barn you visited) keep their horses in tiny stables and treat them badly. So that they do well in sports.
You forgot: americans are also smarter, aren’t they?
Keep on dreaming the American dream!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
@01Appelflap In …
@01Appelflap In America, where we don’t keep our horses in tiny lots and are known for getting along with our horses and understanding them, we realize that ponies are able to carry plenty of weight for short durations of time.
Anyway, I doubt you know anything about that.
The European barns I’ve visited were chock full of people who had no idea how to treat horses well. Guess you’re one of those idiots.
Or maybe you’re just an armchair expert as someone else said quite eloquently.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Seana, although …
Seana, although I’ve never ridden dressage, or had ANY training on riding (I’m self taught) I grew up with a Welch/Shetland mare. I did everything with & on that horse, including standing up bareback at a gallop. I was over 20% when I finally quit riding her. She flipped her tail regardless, & I wasn’t even holding the reins. That pony was having fun in this video, or I’ve never been on a horse!
Thanks for posting- haven’t had such a good laugh in a long time. So well done, & just marvelous!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Thanks so much for …
Thanks so much for your support! I couldn’t have said it better myself!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
OMG – Get a life …
OMG – Get a life people! I have known horses that can’t canter without swirling their tail – like a prop to keep them going. some horses have habits. Some react to leg pressure with the swish, some when annoyed. PLEASE – why be so disparaging??? Have you nothing else to do? This was a great, fun video. The riders were very competent, well trained and the pony and horse having fun. No harm here! Kudos to riders, horses and whoever choreographed the ride. Well done!!!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Again, I …
Again, I respectfully disagree. The weight might be excessive for long, hard, frequent hacks over varied terrain… and probably only then if the rider was unbalanced and hard on the back. Ponies have a far more suitable body to leg ratio than horses (i.e. shorter back to length of leg). For appropriate training and performance on the flat there is NO problem here. Perhaps your passion could be better spent on the many REAL and horrible abuses of these noble animals!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
So, it’s a Welsh. …
So, it’s a Welsh. Welshes of size 1.25m weigh at most 260kg (but this one’s smaller I guess) . 20% of that is 52kg’s.
In Europe (were we tend to ride a horse and watch their backs) the rule is: 15% of the weight for horses, 20% of the weight for coldblood pony’s.
Sure, it’ll carry what ever lands on his back (noble animal).. but it’s back will not last too long. Remember that horses are physically NOT build to carry a lot of weight. Not having a problem with too much weight is no argument.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
He was fine …
He was fine! You guys were great.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I quite disagree! …
I quite disagree! The standard (and that’s by no means an absolute, just a general standard to go by) for most *horses* is 20% of body weight. Some breeds carry weight better, and are said to be able to carry more like 25% of their weight. A pony like a Shetland or Welsh with very sturdy build and far more bone relative to body size than most horses can easily carry more than the generalization of 20%. I have owned ponies and horses – I see no problem with the pony performing under that rider.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
The pony was …
The pony was actually Welsh, not Shetland….
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Shet’s can carry at …
Shet’s can carry at most 20% of their weight. This one ways at most 230kg…. so it may carry 46kg’s max!
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
A horse’s tail …
A horse’s tail swishes like in the video because teh bone in their tail is part of their spine, and therefore can and will move with the horse. Watch Andreas Helgstrand riding Blue Hors Matine in the ‘06 WEG and you will see what I mean – Matine swishes her tail in time with her passage because her back is the foundation of the passage. You can also, where I live, score extra points for tail swishing in dressage because it shows the horse is relaxed and moving freely
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
:~)
:~)
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I wish people who …
I wish people who voice opinions were a bit more educated in the field on which they’re commenting.
In this video I see a pony working very well in the hands of a very capable rider. I have trained/competed in dressage for over 25 years. I’m successful through Grand Prix.
What have you done? You sound to me like the typical “armchair expert.” You read a book and think you know something. Sorry but no.
Anyone who KNOWS the sport of dressage would totally discount your assessment as do I.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Thank you for the …
Thank you for the reply and I do hope that what you say is true for this pony and you didn’t cause him any pain from the bit while riding him.
From what I have read a horse doesn’t wring his tail around when playing with fellow horses in a field, this action is only seen when under saddle. Also most horses when free will not hold their head behind the vehicle for more than a few strides.
These two actions by the pony cause me to feel that he may have been under stress and/or in pain.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
The pony, Merlin, …
The pony, Merlin, was very soft in the hand to ride. I did not pull his head into his chest, but rather he naturally carried himself very round and required very little pressure on his mouth.I rarely rode Merlin because I know I’m too big for him. Mostly he toted around little children. But during the 5 times I did ride him in this performance, I believe he really did enjoy himself. He was my friend and colleague at the riding school, and I hope I did not cause him stress or pain.
May 21st, 2010 at 6:56 pm
This might have …
This might have been fun for the people watching but for the horses I don’t know. The pony’s head was pulled into his chest too much for most of the time and he was wagging his tail a lot — a sign of stress/pain. A bit can put a lot of presser on a horse’s tender mouth/jar/tongue tissues and cause much pain. I also feel that the pony bucked because of the painful bit pressure. I would love to see more horse people try training and riding their horses without bits — causing their horses pain.